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Well right now this place has become empty, isn't there like someone does the share too? I don't see how depending on the podcast will do anything.

Really do love this but this place like dies fast. I know there are mods but there barely on or never go on. Kinda show you can start trolling this site like easy when theres no mods here.

I'm actually on a lot, so please don't go there. I do look at FM a lot of the times a day and make sure that no trolling and/or flame wars start. If they do start. I put an end to it really fast and/or just lock the thread till I discuss it with Zak or WWH to see if it should be locked, moved to the graveyard and all the parties involved get a warning or not. Anyway... This forum might be dead most of the times, but almost all of us have tried to explain to you why that happens. You should really just stop saying it's dead on the threads as we all know it's not as super busy as a forum like furaffinity's forum is.

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I'm actually on a lot, so please don't go there. I do look at FM a lot of the times a day and make sure that no trolling and/or flame wars start. If they do start. I put an end to it really fast and/or just lock the thread till I discuss it with Zak or WWH to see if it should be locked, moved to the graveyard and all the parties involved get a warning or not. Anyway... This forum might be dead most of the times, but almost all of us have tried to explain to you why that happens. You should really just stop saying it's dead on the threads as we all know it's not as super busy as a forum like furaffinity's forum is.

Furaffinity forum is not the only forum really as there are others.

How could I when its mostly is really.

so pretty much there just nothin to do here and kinda of a waste to be joining when nothing happens here.

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Furaffinity forum is not the only forum really as there are others.

How could I when its mostly is really.

so pretty much there just nothin to do here and kinda of a waste to be joining when nothing happens here.

I know it's not the only other forum. I'm just using it as an example, since it is one that has over 50 or more people on it a day. Also I know it's true that not a lot of people are on here that actually post or they are only on here to look at the porn and art posted and/or here to just watch, but that's what people do. Plus it's a forum. It's not like a site like Gaia Online or some other site were you can play games, have avatars or other things. Forums are just for talking about certain things. That's all. Though I've tried to explain that to you as well. I mean if you keep thinking this forum is boring and dead. Why don't you just leave, forget about it and find one that can keep your attention more? That would be the reasonable and logically thing to do for yourself, instead of complaining that it's dead, not many people are posting and boring on this one.

Anyway... Let's get back to the topic at hand that this thread is based on.

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I know it's not the only other forum. I'm just using it as an example, since it is one that has over 50 or more people on it a day. Also I know it's true that not a lot of people are on here that actually post or they are only on here to look at the porn and art posted and/or here to just watch, but that's what people do. Plus it's a forum. It's not like a site like Gaia Online or some other site were you can play games, have avatars or other things. Forums are just for talking about certain things. That's all. Though I've tried to explain that to you as well. I mean if you keep thinking this forum is boring and dead. Why don't you just leave, forget about it and find one that can keep your attention more? That would be the reasonable and logically thing to do for yourself, instead of complaining that it's dead, not many people are posting and boring on this one.

Anyway... Let's get back to the topic at hand that this thread is based on.

it doesn't have to be like forums like gaia you mention.

It can be like how Furry muscle is just some little activity here and such.

Never said anything I want to leave this site, sure I may have such things but its critism about this site and most people use to be in this site has said the same thing how I said it.

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it doesn't have to be like forums like gaia you mention.

It can be like how Furry muscle is just some little activity here and such.

Never said anything I want to leave this site, sure I may have such things but its critism about this site and most people use to be in this site has said the same thing how I said it.

Well there is little bit of activity here and there. People are posting to the topics of working out and that. You're even making new topics which help out to. Don't forget about that. That is activity right there for ya. Also I know you didn't say you wanted to leave. I was just saying if you did want to, no one is keeping ya here if you feel this forum is boring and dead. Also I'm just saying that you keep saying it's dead and that, which we all can read and it is getting a little annyoing to keep reading it as we all already know that. You're basically betting a dead horse on the matter and some of us told you to just be patient and wait for their to be activity on this forum when people do post when they have time and/or want to.

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Well there is little bit of activity here and there. People are posting to the topics of working out and that. You're even making new topics which help out to. Don't forget about that. That is activity right there for ya. Also I know you didn't say you wanted to leave. I was just saying if you did want to, no one is keeping ya here if you feel this forum is boring and dead. Also I'm just saying that you keep saying it's dead and that, which we all can read and it is getting a little annyoing to keep reading it as we all already know that. You're basically betting a dead horse on the matter and some of us told you to just be patient and wait for their to be activity on this forum when people do post when they have to and/or want to.

Dude I am patient

but dude lets not keep going as pretty much we both starting a stir here and this is not the right topic we should be talking about right now.

well this gone off topic :T

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Dude I am patient

but dude lets not keep going as pretty much we both starting a stir here and this is not the right topic we should be talking about right now.

well this gone off topic :T

True it has gone off topic with talking about other forums before us and not talking about body building competitions. I'll ask Zak to move the parts where it went off to a new thread, so we can continue talking about it there, so that this topic can get back to it's normal topic. Plus I figure ya were patient, but it doesn't seem like it when you keep saying that it's dead on this forum all the times I've read your replies to people and/or posting new topics. To me, though my eyes that's showing me you're bored and/or wanting thimgs happening or people posting quickly on this forum site, ao that's not being patient IMO.

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True it has gone off topic with talking about other forums before us and not talking about body building competitions. I'll ask Zak to move the parts where it went off to a new thread, so we can continue talking about it there, so that this topic can get back to it's normal topic. Plus I figure ya were patient, but it doesn't seem like it when you keep saying that it's dead on this forum all the times I've read your replies to people and/or posting new topics. To me, though my eyes that's showing me you're bored and/or wanting thimgs happening or people posting quickly on this forum site, ao that's not being patient IMO.

Or we can just stop talking about since its all is doing is making another flame war or idk.

I really don't see how this matters to me, but to me really it just sounds lazy really. No need to worry about moderating this place when nothing happens at all. I may have said those things but what is there to do then?

Also I still come here and I do post here but now a days its just why bother though.

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Or we can just stop talking about since its all is doing is making another flame war or idk.

I really don't see how this matters to me, but to me really it just sounds lazy really. No need to worry about moderating this place when nothing happens at all. I may have said those things but what is there to do then?

Also I still come here and I do post here but now a days its just why bother though.

Well it should matter to you because you're the one that is mostly complaining that it's dead around here on the forum. No one else is doing it as much as you are in the threads. That's what I'm saying. Plus you answered your own question with that answer. "Why bother posting when there is nothing to do here" XD That's why I said in my one reply. Why don't you find another forum that can keep you busy, that has more people on it, that actually engage in said forum and forget about this one if you're bored of it?

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Well it should matter to you because you're the one that is mostly complaining that it's dead around here on the forum. No one else is doing it as much as you are in the threads. That's what I'm saying. Plus you answered your own question with that answer. "Why bother posting when there is nothing to do here" XD That's why I said in my one reply. Why don't you find another forum that can keep you busy, that has more people on it and forget about this one if you're bored of it?

But never said I wanted to start a arguement with the mod ._.

GEEEZ :T

Also stop saying that D:

I do like this site just it needs some activity

stop forcing others to go to another forum geez :T

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But never said I wanted to start a arguement with the mod ._.

GEEEZ :T

Also stop saying that D:

I do like this site just it needs some activity

stop forcing others to go to another forum geez :T

I'm not aguring with ya. Just trying to explain to ya what you're not getting as a few of us have told you to be patient and wait for people to be active here. Which you don't seem to get as you keep saying it's dead on here over and over again on different parts of the forum, like your impatient and want something to happen to give you something to do. Plus I'm not forcing anyone to go to other forums. If they are bored with this one. It's just common sense to suggest going to another one that will keep them busy. That's what I'm doing is suggesting it to you if you are bored with this one as it seems that you are. Not like I'm putting a gun to your head or anyone else's for that matter and telling you or them to to go to another forum or you'll die. XD There is a difference between a suggestion and force and I am just suggesting it to you. Though glad you like this forum. ^^ Plus it people that has to decide weither they want to engage in activity here or not and that will come with time.

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it doesn't have to be like forums like gaia you mention.

It can be like how Furry muscle is just some little activity here and such.

Never said anything I want to leave this site, sure I may have such things but its critism about this site and most people use to be in this site has said the same thing how I said it.

Thank you for the criticism Allgator, it has been notice and as well as in other reply things are in the work.

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Telling people this forum isn't very active will encourage most people NOT to talk here. Is that what you really want?

That is true, but people can see it with their own eyes that it's not that active on here. They can choose weither or not to post, if they choose to. What I'm telling gator is to be patient and to stop complaining that it's dead here all the time as it's getting annoying, since we all have read him saying that a few times and have agreed with him and tried to explain to him that people have lives away from the computer and aren't on it 24/7. They'll post when they can or post what they want to. That or activites will come in time. That's what I feel he doesn't understand as he keeps saying over and over in the threads that it's dead on this forum. Not to mention people on here can tell other people that talk about FM in some other medium like on IMs, e-mails or that and say it's not very active, so that can bring in more people or keep them away. Basically this forum isn't forcing anyone to post to it or forcing them to stay if they want to leave. I mean some forums do make it so you have to be active in order to stay and that just limits how many people are on said forum. Would you want that to happen here on FM? Cause then if that were to happen. Well we'd probably be down to under 10 members and those members would be the ones that post a lot to the forum, but then if they got really busy due to life. Then no one would be a members here at all, if those rules were put into place.

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Telling people this forum isn't very active will encourage most people NOT to talk here. Is that what you really want?

Not saying that

also

they can pretty much see for themself actually

as I seen most new comers come and then you never seen them again or go on at times.

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I believe both side have been stated. Alligator I believe what he mostly is trying to state is keep saying negative stuff is not helping the cause. We get it, thanks. Keep saying the same thing over and over again being negative doesn't help. We get it, we understand your view point. Things are in the work just relax and wait.

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I believe both side have been stated. Alligator I believe what he mostly is trying to state is keep saying negative stuff is not helping the cause. We get it, thanks. Keep saying the same thing over and over again being negative doesn't help. We get it, we understand your view point. Things are in the work just relax and wait.

I really don't see how this negative actually

as all im saying this site gotta need some activity and please don't repeat yourself as I do get the whole thing. I want to try my best to help this sorry but sorry for my cause of trouble here. But I do really think it should have something than high hopes on the pod cast. I know its going to be great and really hoping it would help also. But maybe other plans maybe.

For so far this site has help with tips and what should I do to bodybuild.

I may have looked at wrong that its mostly dead but least we have some loyal users who come here at times.

Though wish this site could improve a little it sometimes buggy or glitchy at times.

And it sounds like im at court at Zak is the judge. hehe

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I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here, since it is painfully obvious nobody has bothered to do so since this forum opened.

What is the purpose of this forum?

- The art? All of it is cross-posted from FA.

- The discussions? What discussions? Most of it looks like conversations between two or three people, and that could easily be done through other methods such as Skype or Facebook.

- FMC? You don't need a whole forum dedicated to that, especially when there is no method of promoting it outside of this forum. (I'll hold my tongue on my opinions concerning the chosen cast members - for now).

This site is suffering from a fundamental lack of purpose. The reason activity here is so low is because there is no reason to be active here. There is nothing to do. No contests, no discussions (any discussion I suspect will devolve into drama - much as this thread already has), no free exchange of varying ideas or differing perspectives. Part of that has to do with the atmosphere here (you can put on the veneer of acceptance as much as you want, but as long as this site continues to push forward an ideal, there will be people who will be hesitant to jump in because they feel they don't "stack up" to "muscle fur" standards). Part of that has to do with the disjointed nature of the fandom as a whole, not just the "muscle fur" section of it. And part of it has to do with the higher-ups apparently not knowing what to do to make this place worth visiting frequently.

Short version: give people a reason to visit this site. Give them something they can get here and ONLY here (or at least something they can't easily get more conveniently elsewhere).

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I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here, since it is painfully obvious nobody has bothered to do so since this forum opened.

What is the purpose of this forum?

- The art? All of it is cross-posted from FA.

- The discussions? What discussions? Most of it looks like conversations between two or three people, and that could easily be done through other methods such as Skype or Facebook.

- FMC? You don't need a whole forum dedicated to that, especially when there is no method of promoting it outside of this forum. (I'll hold my tongue on my opinions concerning the chosen cast members - for now).

This site is suffering from a fundamental lack of purpose. The reason activity here is so low is because there is no reason to be active here. There is nothing to do. No contests, no discussions (any discussion I suspect will devolve into drama - much as this thread already has), no free exchange of varying ideas or differing perspectives. Part of that has to do with the atmosphere here (you can put on the veneer of acceptance as much as you want, but as long as this site continues to push forward an ideal, there will be people who will be hesitant to jump in because they feel they don't "stack up" to "muscle fur" standards). Part of that has to do with the disjointed nature of the fandom as a whole, not just the "muscle fur" section of it. And part of it has to do with the higher-ups apparently not knowing what to do to make this place worth visiting frequently.

Short version: give people a reason to visit this site. Give them something they can get here and ONLY here (or at least something they can't easily get more conveniently elsewhere).

This is what im talking about but I like yours better

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As far as contests and such go, unfortunately that requires money, coming up with contest outline/ideas, prizes, etc. Something may be attempted down the road but for the time being theres not much to be done. As far as the Podcast thing goes, its still in its infancy and needs time to be built up. Art and such, most boards have galleries and most of those were requested by artists. FM for example had requests for a gallery system from the start. Discussions, Well Magney feel free to start some if you feel there is a lack of quality content.

Its easy to sit and criticize content or lack there of, and complain of the lack participation, but doing nothing but complain about those issues does not resolve the issue and only serves to make the community seem like a waste of time to anyone who may otherwise be interested in joining or participating.

And as VGM referenced above, this is a small but growing community, and we don't have the level of activity that forum communities such as Furaffinity, Furtopia, Bigfurs, etc happens to enjoy, and as I stated, doing nothing but constantly complaining about said lack of activity just serves as a deterrent. As I've stated elsewhere things usually pick up around the summer months give it time.

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As I said, "devil's advocate".

WWH, you never actually answered my question, but I'll indulge for the sake of discussion.

There are plenty of ways to organize contests without having monetary rewards. Look at DeviantArt if you want examples or inspiration for those sorts of things. Contests for headers, contests for art to be integrated into the site design, contests for commissions, et cetera. Just because they haven't been executed here doesn't mean they aren't possible.

When you talk about "participation" I wonder what you mean. I'm more than willing to put forth time and energy into making this site better, but I need to know what "better" is and what I can do to help.

Can I give advice as to weightlifting routines/training tips/nutrition? No.

Can I give advice for artists and writers? Yes.

Why does it feel to me like those two have absolutely no bearing on each other? Why do I feel that there is a fundamental difference in priorities between members of this site? Why do I feel that there is such a disjointed method of organizing everything that encompasses "muscle furry fandom" that I have no idea what the heck it is I am supposed to do when I get here?

Truth be told it's been something I have been feeling since I joined this site. Possibly it's something that extends to the greater "muscle furry fandom" but it definitely exists. There simply isn't any sort of continuity or consistency. And I truly believe that until that fundamental problem is addressed, this site will be stuck in neutral when it comes to actual participation.

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Well you say you can give advice for artists/writers so start there. To my knowledge Furry-Muscle was to be a community open to both artists and those who are or wish to become bodybuilders. And there are many other forums that cater to multiple genre's or priorities and do just fine, so there is no reason that Furry-Muscle cannot have both art and fitness, while granted the artist side seems to be more dominant at this current point in time.

Would go into further detail but has to head out to work now... x.o

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I personally think that everyone has been dancing around this subject for YEARS whenever I hear and furries about fitness and furries mixed together.

Think about the two words "Furry muscle" being put together. It 'almost' seems like a small stab of humour since the two words can be comparable as oxymorons of each other. We are talking about people of a small demographic when furries are mentioned, and even MORESO smaller when furries and fitness are put together. Let's be honest, the majority of the fandom is overweight/obese, dangerously skinny, and the last thing on their minds is exercise since a lot of them have had bad experiences with it in the past (physical education classes, not doing well in sports, etc). In bringing light to the situation, we are trying to reach an incredibly small demographic of people. You ask why sites like FA and SF are so popular? You ask why DeviantArt has practically exploded? It's because all FA and SF and DA have in common is (furry)art. Nothing else. Hell, everyone can relate to art. We see pictures, we can easily critique good art from bad art, and we even can "have fun" with what we see. Exercise?.. eh, not so much. Most people don't have the education and/or experience to give critique on exercise plans or movements, and as stated before, the majority of furries don't like exercise.

Bringing myself into a more positive light, I do agree that the forums aren't as active as I would like. I am not denying that. What I would recommend however, is to that EVERYONE (staff and members) stop being so selfish and cherish those that have already joined the site and even make an effort to advertise the site out to people. When I did join the forums, I felt slightly isolated from the rest of the community that is here and thank god for the introductions in the threads that I got because if it wasn't for those that went up to say hi to me in that thread, I would have been gone within 2 days of being on the site. Let's pull up our socks and make an effort to not just focus on ourselves and try to do things that will reach out to people. Mention it to friends, advertise on sites (with permission granted).

I thank all of you that said hi to me in my intro thread.

If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

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